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Comment on Quantum measurements as weighted symmetry breaking processes: the hidden measurement perspective by Massimiliano Sassoli de Bianchi Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:57:08 +0000 We disagree with Dr. Kastner view about what should be meant by ‘deriving the Born rule’. What she seems to forget is that the latter was only accepted to be a fundamental rule of quantum theory because the values it predicts correspond with great accuracy to the limits of relative frequencies obtained when performing repeated experiments in the laboratories. In other words, the rule was just put forward by Born as a possible connection between the Schrödinger's equation and the actual statistical data, and was accepted 'as a rule' by the community of physicists because the measured relative frequencies corresponded to the numbers calculated from the square modulus of the Schrödinger wave function.

If such experimental verification would have not been successful, Born's proposal would have not been retained, and the Born rule would not be part today of the physics' manuals. Of course, Schrödinger's equation would also have, consequently, less empirical value, but nevertheless would still be considered to be physically relevant, for instance for the determination of the atomic energy levels, hence without necessarily relying on a Born rule (Schrödinger did not derive his equation as an equation for probability amplitudes). This reasoning proves that it makes no sense to speak about the Born rule without considering its validity in the description of the experimental data obtained from repeated measurements.

Now, when we state that in our hidden-measurement approach we 'derive' the Born rule, we mean by this that we add something that is fundamentally new to the standard quantum formalism (and consequently also to the PTI interpretation). More specifically, considering the hypothesis that (i) quantum indeterminism would be rooted in the presence of fluctuations at the level of the interaction between the measurement apparatus and the measured entity, and (ii) exploiting a representation of the states that is a natural generalization of that of the Bloch sphere, allowing for the 'calculation of the probabilities involved in these fluctuations', one obtains in a direct, unique a non-circular way the Born rule.

Concerning point (i), note that this hypothesis is already in part present in most interpretations of quantum mechanics, as it is generally assumed that a measurement can change the state of the measured entity, hence we only add to this standard view that fluctuations would be also present and play a role in what happens. Concerning point (ii), note that the 'extended Bloch representation' is deeply linked, at the mathematical level, to the complex Hilbert space geometry, which indicates that our model is most probably not ad hoc, but one with a content that, when further explored, might well reveal new aspects of the quantum reality; and we think it did so already, for instance when used to understand entanglement and interference effects. In that respect, see our recent article in the J. Math. Phys. 57, 122110, 2016)

The above does not presuppose anything about 'how quantum things truly are’. For example, it does not need to assume that the measurement induced change of state should necessarily be as in 'von Neumann’s second stage'. Also, it does not presuppose any of the deterministic and classical views that are typical of hidden-variables theories where the hidden variables are associated with the state of the entity. Indeed, although our hidden-measurements approach remains compatible with the view of a 'deterministic reality as a whole', it is certainly not a return to classical physics. This not only because the hidden-measurement interactions are non-spatial in nature (as explained in the article), but also because one cannot restore, not even in principle, determinism at the level of the measurement process.

Finally, we emphasize that our analysis does not weaken or contradict in whatsoever way the PTI. Quite on the contrary, by providing a general description of the weighted symmetry breaking process (only using mathematical structures that are already part of the quantum formalism), it shows that the weights appearing in the description of an incipient transaction can be consistently interpreted as outcome probabilities. In other words, our analysis, in a sense, confirms the validity of the PTI narrative, explaining how one can go from 'weights' to 'probabilities'. But this is not a trivial passage, as it requires the full power of the extended Bloch representation and the associated hidden-measurements interpretation.

Diederik Aerts & Massimiliano Sassoli de Bianchi

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Comment on Quantum measurements as weighted symmetry breaking processes: the hidden measurement perspective by Ruth Kastner Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:14:02 +0000 The author is entitled of course to present his own preferred deterministic model of measurement. But the paper goes too far in its characterization of another interpretation’s account of measurement as ‘incomplete’ based on the author’s own particular (optional) metaphysical preference. Nature may not in fact behave in the deterministic way that his model proposes. Thus, an indeterministic model such as TI cannot be fairly characterized as missing something deterministic if Nature is not in fact deterministic.

Similarly, the author seems to have expectations for a derivation of the Born Rule that misconstrues the Rule as applying to a measurement process that leads deterministically to one outcome. But that is not what it is. The Born Rule is no more and no less than a rule for obtaining the probability of each outcome as a square of the probability amplitude for that outcome; as noted in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, it is a “definition of the probabilities for measurement results.” (
The author seems to be confusing the Born Rule with the second stage of von Neumann’s “Process 1,” in which the density operator manifesting the Born Rule (as weights of a sum of projection operators) collapses to a single projection operator. But that is not a part of the Rule.

To derive something means to trace the origin of that thing from a source (e.g., Merriam-Webster). The Transactional Interpretation obtains the quantities appearing in the Born Rule from a specific theoretical source--the direct action theory of fields. The weights of outcomes (that latter represented by projection operators) derived from the direct-action theory are the absolute squares of the Schrödinger probability amplitude. That is a derivation of the Born Rule. To say that it is not is to say that Schrödinger failed to ‘derive’ that his wave equation was an equation for a probability amplitude, which is to confuse physics with mathematics. All physical theories must have physical correlates, and those are a matter of empirical correspondence, not mathematical deduction.

Thus the author’s allegation that TI is incomplete is just a statement that it does not satisfy an optional metaphysical preference for a deterministic account that the author apparently does not recognize as optional. If the wave function is a probability amplitude (the square root of a probability), then an interpretation showing that each outcome is associated with the square of the probability amplitude is to show that that outcome is characterized by that probability—which is the entire content of the Born Rule. That is, TI clearly derives von Neumann’s “Process 1,” but the author apparently does not recognize von Neumann’s Process 1 transition as an expression of the Born Rule—at variance with all precedent in the peer-reviewed literature on this topic, as far as I know.

If the author wants to insist that TI does not derive the Born Rule in the sense that the square of the wave function corresponds to a probability, then he must also criticize Schrödinger for not ‘deriving’ that his equation was an equation for a probability amplitude. As noted above, the wave function has as its basic physical correlate a probability amplitude. That is not subject to mathematical derivation from any more basic principle, unless additional assumptions are imposed that might not even be correct, such as an epistemic interpretation of quantum probability--which is what the author appears to be assuming without recognizing it.

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No-Hypersignaling as a Physical Principle
(Submitted on 29 Sep 2016)

Quantum Physics

A paramount topic in quantum foundations, rooted in the study of the EPR paradox and Bell inequalities, is that of characterizing quantum theory in terms of the space-like correlations it allows. Here we show that to focus only on space-like correlations is not enough: we explicitly construct a toy model theory that, though being perfectly compatible with classical and quantum theories at the level of space-like correlations, displays an anomalous behavior in its time-like correlations. We call this anomaly, quantified in terms of a specific communication game, the "hypersignaling" phenomena. We hence conclude that the "principle of quantumness," if it exists, cannot be found in space-like correlations alone: nontrivial constraints need to be imposed also on time-like correlations, in order to exclude hypersignaling theories.
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From: Michele Dall'Arno [view email]
[v1] Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:42:03 GMT (839kb)

This paper asks the wrong question.

1) No signaling is not fundamental. It is true for quantum theory, but it is not true for post-quantum theory. No-signaling is a consequence
of no direct back-reaction of beables on their pilot waves in the sense of Bohm 1952 updated by Sutherland 2015. Quantum theory is
a limiting case of post-quantum theory in the same way that special relativity is a limiting case of general relativity.

2) As shown by Costa de Beauregard, Huw Price, Ken Wharton, Rod Sutherland … spacelike correlations are an illusion. What is
really going on is the "zig-zag" i.e. locally real retrocausal influences that are compatible with Einstein's relativity. What Bell's 1964 theorem
really proves is that quantum theory (without signaling) requires that future strong measurements act backwards in time on the entangled
state's past creation. That is, the "spooky" aspects of quantum theory are most naturally and simply explained as local retrocausal
influences not by faster-than-light "tachyonic" effects of any kind. In post-quantum theory, these retrocausal influences can be harnessed
and controlled for locally decodable messaging without needing a classical retarded signal key to unlock the message encoded in
the pattern of quantum entanglement. As shown by Antony Valentini (2002) this enables the hacking of seemingly secure quantum cryptographic
systems at least in principle if not yet in practice. The post-quantum version of the black hole information paradox seems to validate
Stephen Hawking's earlier position and invalidate the premise's of Leonard Susskind's premise that quantum information is never created
or destroyed.